Little Conversations

I have been so tickled lately by some of the conversations we've shared with the boys.  We're getting glimpses into their little hearts and minds as they learn to express themselves more and more clearly, and sometimes have to smile when their words aren't exactly the ones they're looking for but we know what they mean.

As the weather gets cooler I've been pulling out the boxes of winter clothes and have asked the boys to try on last year's pants and shirts to see what will still fit.  I asked Isaac what sort of pants he liked to wear and he lost no time in selecting "jeams!"  He has called them that ever since.  And, he sometimes goes the extra mile in making his verbs past tense....not only has he won races against me, but he "beated!" me!  Or if we had a brisk pace in an evening stroll, he might have "runned-ed."

Caedmon is always excited to tell me about the things he's doing in school, often pulling everything out of his backpack to show me as soon as he gets in the car.  One afternoon last week he was telling me about something in his "wiggly reader," and it took me a few minutes to figure out that he was referring to the "Weekly Reader" that the kiddos work on together.  My thought was that in a pre-k classroom, they might be more accurately referred to as "wiggly" readers!

Both boys bless my heart with their sweet words, but Isaac in particular has been showing a new depth that is so touching to this mama. When I picked the boys up from school last week I asked them both about their morning, and what they had done.  Isaac said, "No, Mom, what did YOU do this morning?" I described the errands that I had run, and he asked, "But didn't you have lunch?"  I told him that yes, I did, and then he wanted to know what I had.  Only after I had given him all the details, mundane as they were, was he was content to tell me about his morning.  And then the next time I dropped him off and gave him a big hug, he looked in my eyes and told me, "When you pick me up today I want you to tell me about all the things you do this morning!"

We have also been sharing a Bible verse together before meals, talking about what it means and how to apply it to our lives, and trying to memorize one verse per week.  Caedmon is quick to commit them to memory and be able to recite both the current and previous weeks' verses.  Isaac is usually very quiet while we talk, not wanting to practice saying the words out loud.  A recent verse was from 1 Thessalonians 5:11 - "Be kind to one another and build each other up."  Hold that thought.

This afternoon the boys got to leave to spend a few days with Grammy and Papa.  They have been so excited to go and Isaac told me as they were about to drive away that he would see me in "100 days."  I told him that they would need to come back sooner than that but that we could check back in after a couple of days and see how they're feeling.  He said, "Oh, it's okay, Mama, Grammy has a washing machine."  Obviously we hadn't packed enough sets of clothes for 100 days!  I reminded him that they would need to get along and be kind to each other if he wanted to have an extended stay.  His reply was, "Oh, yes, Mama.  We will build each other up!"  Oh my - he was listening.  My heart is full.

I blinked!

Well, this month certainly has flown by!  We've had so many "firsts" and seen so much growth in all three of our little guys.  

Right after Labor Day was the start of the boys' school.  Caedmon is so excited to be in pre-k and to get to go three days a week.  He is really starting to connect with the other kids at school and form fun friendships; he is always excited to go.  He has grown up so much since the start of school last year, when we would watch him go into the classroom and start doing his "own thing," playing beside the other kids but not really with them.  Now he greets his buddies and tells me all the things they play on the playground, and his teacher told me that he's a very social child.  He is also getting very close to being able to sound some simple words out on his own and is starting to take more interest in doing so.

Isaac enjoys going to his class one day a week, too, and would be happy to go more frequently but we're also treasuring our mornings together when Caedmon is in school.  He is always excited to show us the things that he's made in his class and has learned a lot of fun new songs and his making great progress with letters and sounds.

Luke has also had some big "firsts" in the last few weeks.  He is normally such a content little guy but the last few weeks has gotten really vocal and agitated when we would sit down to supper, looking at our plates and complaining loudly.  I hadn't planned to start solids with him just yet but we decided to see how he would do with them and let him have his first food - a banana.  He was really fascinated and did pretty well swallowing it on his first try, only spitting out a little.  We have also tried avocado with him; some nights he eats fairly well and sometimes he's not really interested, but he loves to be a part of what we're doing.

Everybody got to participate in feeding Luke his first taste of bananas, it was a special event for all of us!  The big boys were so proud and excited for him.

Luke is also getting better at holding himself up.  He sat unassisted for about half a minute one day this week, and one night he got to join Isaac for his nighttime snack (held up by Daniel).  He was so happy to be at the little table with his big brother!  I'm sure it made him feel really grown-up.

Luke is starting to scoot himself around on the floor.  I'm sure crawling is just around the corner as he can also get his legs under him and almost push himself all the way up on his arms.  For now he can make forward progress, which comes in really handy when playing on a quilt out in the yard so he can get to the edge and grab a fistful of grass!  He also enjoys a little keyboard that the boys have.  It's a great toy for him because it's low enough that he can get his hands up on the keys and play some good tunes...sometimes playing with both hands and his mouth all at the same time!

I was somewhat shocked yesterday to peek in his mouth and see that he has two teeth starting to poke through his gums.  I could see them under the gum for a while but didn't expect them to come through anytime soon, since neither of our bigger guys had teeth until 10 months or later.  They are all the way through now - our days of toothless grins are over!

Our official 5-month picture!  This captures his little personality so well...he's such a happy little guy and just loves getting to interact with us and especially Caedmon and Isaac.  Our boys are such a joy and blessing to us, and to each other!

Four months

Now, we've officially reached our fourth-month milestone for Luke - and as Caedmon really wanted to know, the four month mark until his birthday.  These guys have been keeping us on our toes and leading us a merry dance lately - as the weeks fly by.

Caedmon will be starting pre-k after Labor Day, and is excited to get back and see his friends.  I'm excited for him too, he was really starting to enjoy being around the other kids and doing interesting projects and crafts at school, frequently surprising us with little tidbits of things that he's learned.  It helps that he is so enthusiastic about going; it makes it somewhat easier for me to let go of my big boy as he begins real school.

He has been increasingly interested in his youngest brother lately; frequently he is the first one up in the morning and will come join me in the nursery, always giving Luke a sweet kiss on his head in the morning and at night.  He loves to bring toys to "Luker Schnooker" when he's playing in his bouncy seat or on the floor, talks to him, and gives him good head rubs.  Daniel overheard him singing a song to Luke that he made up, to the tune of "Angels We Have Heard On High," about how much we love him.  So tender!

Caedmon is also beginning to show an increased independence and strong feelings about how things should be done.  We are often hearing "I want to do what I want to do!" Don't we all!  We are learning to balance those feelings with also thinking about what others want or need.

Isaac has definitely had a growth spurt recently; we can see that his pace has picked up when we take walks or chase each other in the yard.  He has such a fun sense of humor and frequently uses silly voices or surprises us with the funny things he says.  He has a strong sense of adventure and is willing to try new things without reservation - this summer he has begun jumping into the pool (with a lifejacket), climbing the tree in our backyard (once before I got out there - he did get his ankle stuck and was hanging by his ankle and hands while Caedmon ran to tell me to come), and riding anything with wheels.  He is in constant motion and loves to play chasing games, any sort of sport, and go for walks.

One evening last week I was getting the boys ready for bed and left the big boys drying off and getting their pajamas on after their bath to go change Luke's diaper.  Isaac had been complaining about it being too cold, but I encouraged him to hurry and get dressed to warm up.  I heard the water in the sink turn on, and when I got back to the bathroom I found Isaac sitting in the sink with the water on.  He said that he needed warm water because he was too cold!

Both boys have become fascinated with the PBS kids show, "Wild Kratts," in which two brothers visit different habitats and use special suits to take on characteristics of the animals they're learning about.  They really have learned a lot about a lot of different animals and have had so much fun pretending to have those special suits and transforming into cheetahs (Isaac's favorite), falcons, badgers, ka-zelles (gazelles) and anything else that struck them.  I frequently hear them saying "Activate CHEETAH powers!" and then racing away at full speed.  It was fun to pretend, but they really, really wanted these special "creature power suits" so I thought it would be a fun project to make some with them.  It took me a while to gather the materials we needed, and in the meantime I realized that they didn't want pretend suits - they wanted the real thing!

They have also begun quoting the brothers, so I frequently hear little snippets like "welcome to my world, dude" and "to the creature rescue!!"  One afternoon Isaac was eating a snack and started coughing; I asked if he was okay and he said, "It's just a hairball."  I sincerely doubt he has any idea what that means but he heard it once and remembered in what context to use it!

Luke is at such a sweet and fun age - he is a smiley little guy, has lots of giggles (especially for his brothers!) and loves to be where he can see the action.  We are so amused at his fascination with the television - it's not on that often but when it is, it doesn't matter what is on it (perhaps even just a big blue screen), he will watch with wide eyes.  He joins us for meals sitting in his bouncy seat on the table where he can see everything that is going on around him, often adding his two cents to our conversation and kicking his feet.  Some nights his foot-kicking is so fast, and sometimes he just kicks one foot at a time for a while.  I commented, to the big boys' great amusement, that it looks like he is riding a scooter when only one foot is kicking at a time.  Now we can get his attention and say, "Ready, set, GO!!"  Whether he understands our game or is just inspired to start kicking because he thinks we're excited, he almost always starts "riding his scooter."

He has begun scooting in circles and sometimes making forward progress when in his crib or playing on the floor, and now rolls from his tummy to his back all the time.  He is still working on his eye-hand coordination but can grab objects that are close to him, and frequently has his hands clasped and in his mouth.  His favorite activity right now is taking baths; his eyes get so wide and he smiles and giggles as he kicks and splashes, it's great fun for all of us!

Belated 3 Months

It's Luke here.  Well, I'm three months old now (almost four months) and I wanted to send you some of my cutest pics lately.  I enjoy laying in my bed craning my neck as far as possible to see if someone is coming to rescue me.  I like it when my brothers come and play with me in the morning, but especially when my mom and dad come and pick me up!

It doesn't come as naturally as it looks, but a little head tilt, sweet smile and adorable eye gaze are all part of my repertoire. These sweet things come in handy when it's the middle of the night and my belly is getting hungry.  I usually start making scratching sounds, then little cooing and some mild grunting.  If that doesn't get someone's attention, then I'll flip over on my back, wedge my arm between the bed slats and go straight for the guttural shrieks...works (almost) every time.

I'm all legs like my brothers and have learned how to balance my head when I'm sitting or reclining.  The bear is shrinking each month that we take a picture together, but I'm really enjoying getting bigger so I can be like my big brothers!

And here they are, my best friends!  They like to pet my head and give me sweet hugs.  Mostly I like watching what they're doing and I'm starting to tell them things, but it doesn't seem like they understand what I'm saying yet.  Isaac likes to tell me stories about his giraffe or the trees that he's been climbing.

Here's Caedmon reading me a book which he does so well.  He really takes good care of me as the biggest brother and is learning how to watch out for me and that makes me happy.  Caedmon and Isaac also give me the biggest giggles when they do silly things or try to tickle me, I love it!

It's almost bedtime, so I'll leave you with a picture of me getting dried off after a bath.  My baths are fun and I've gotten to splash in the BIG tub with my brothers, too.  After a long day it feels good to be clean, snuggled in a towel and put in my footed pajamas.  Life is good!

Adventures with Three

Life with little ones is always full of adventures.  Sometimes just getting through the day, even when we're not "doing" anything that day, can require more mental, emotional, and physical strength than I can believe.  But a couple of weeks ago I knew it was time for us to start resuming more normal activities that took us beyond the walls of our home, starting with a trip to the grocery store.

I gave each big boy a list with pictures of the items that they were "responsible" for finding that day and tried to pick a time that Luke would be sleeping.  With him in the front pack and his brothers engaged, at least for a little while, with the items on their lists, we conquered the grocery store and made it home with no real snags.  I was thrilled, and knew that such a smooth trip was probably a gift from the Lord so that I would be brave enough to venture out again!

Such a great first experience, along with an urgent need to get my oil change before going any farther in my vehicle, made it clear that we needed to visit our mechanic for a tune up.  I called ahead to make sure we could get in and out quickly and we headed over.  I am not sure what happened, but our estimated 15-20 minutes turned into almost an hour.  We ended up making ourselves right at home during that amount of time - the big boys did a great job of playing together, made two trips to the restroom (walking through the entire shop with 5 or 6 bays of cars being worked on to get there), and I nursed Luke and changed his diaper and outfit when he had a diaper leak.  When the mechanics finally came to tell us that our car was almost ready, Caedmon called out to Isaac, "Hey Isaac, let's be a hurricane!  You be the eye, and I'll be the hurricane!"  With that, Isaac froze and Caedmon began running in circles around him.  Then they decided to switch.  I had never seen this particular dramatization, and our mechanics just laughed.  Such creative little minds!

Later in the week we went and ate lunch with Daniel.  After an uneventful lunch and visit to his office, we headed back to the parking garage.  Caedmon had been asking the entire time if we could go "do the escalators," which are at the base of the building and a pretty long ride.  Although I wasn't crazy about trying to help both boys on and off and carry Luke in his carseat, I told him we could go watch them.  A kind security guard saw us and came to offer his assistance - I told him that Caedmon just wanted to ride - so he said he could go with him if I was okay with that.  I agreed, and he took off with my firstborn.

Isaac then began begging me to take him down also, but I was trying to wave for Caedmon to come back up.  After a moment's confusion, the guard evidently thought that I was trying to convince Isaac to get on also, and that Caedmon could wait at the bottom by himself until we got there, so he hopped on the ascending side of the escalator.   That left me alone at the top with a three year old and newborn in a bulky carseat, and my four year old all by himself at the bottom, with tons of people getting coming and going.  I gave in, hopped on with Isaac, and rode down to Caedmon.  A kind couple behind me realized that my hands were full and the lady rode back up with us just to make sure we were okay.  I'm sure thankful for the people in this world who are willing to reach out with a helping hand.

Isaac's birthday was early in June and we celebrated with friends and family here at home.  He loves anything that requires throwing, kicking, or hitting a ball so he had a cake decorated like a baseball, and baseball, basketball, and soccer ball cupcakes.  He was so proud!  On his actual birthday, Grammy and Papa came to spend the day with us.  We tried to make him feel extra special with a candle and singing at each meal but he decided that he'd rather we sing "Mary had a Little Lamb" than the birthday song.  And not just the first verse - if we stopped, he requested the rest of the song.  Whatever makes the birthday boy happy!

Our little Luke is well past the 2-month mark now.  At his checkup, he was 24 inches long and 13 lb 5 oz, which means he's growing just great.  He's getting stronger and holding his head up for longer to look around, taking in all the action created by his brothers.

He is full of smiles and I believe just on the verge of giggles.  For the most part he is a content, easygoing little guy, and certainly very interested and engaged in the world around him.  His big brothers are fascinating; when traveling in the car I often hear Isaac's cry of delight - "He is smiling at me!"  Now that he's more interactive both boys love to sit close by and do what they can to entertain him, by sharing toys or singing songs or just talking to their brother.  It's so precious!  He has also recently succeeded in getting his thumb into his mouth by himself, which he has been diligently working towards for a few weeks now.

Any time I get out the camera, the boys are ready to pose and snap some pictures themselves.  The sequence of photos is always amusing to me, as there are certainly no two shots the same.

Even though we knew how challenging it was to catch a good photo of our two big boys together - both looking at the camera, and smiling, and not trying to run away - I really wanted to try to capture our trio all together on Mother's Day.  So we got them dressed up and posed out in the yard, and were pleasantly surprised with the results.  I am always amused at the progression of photos and what each of them are doing!


They were really being troopers and trying hard to give us their "best" smiles!




What sweet boys!  We are so blessed.


Isaac LOVES his little brother.  He is always ready to bring a pacifier or blanket or toy without prompting, and is generous with his snuggles and sweet baby talk.  He was so proud to get to hold Luke for this photo!


Our one month-old!  We will try to get a picture of him with this bear (which is big brothers picked to bring him in the hospital) each month to watch his growth in comparison.


I was getting breakfast one morning and overheard Isaac "reading" a book out loud, which is unusual for him.  I realized he was sharing it with his little brother, who is always tuned in to what the big boys are doing.  So precious!

Our season of anticipation has changed into a season of change as we adjust to being a family of five!  We are so grateful to have Luke here, safe and healthy, flourishing in these sweet first days of life.  He was born on April 24 - the day I felt was his real due date, rather than the one our doctor used - and has been an amazing little bundle of sweetness - constantly humbling us before the Lord at the great gifts He bestows upon us and His incredible design for life!

Last Wednesday I had a feeling when I woke up that things were changing but didn't know if that would mean immediate progress, or still several days of preparation.  I went ahead and took the boys on a quick errand to the store and on the way asked then what they thought we should name the baby.  Caedmon didn't miss a beat but said "Fred!" right away.  I just laughed, never having heard that from him before.

As the morning went on I could feel more contractions than usual, and by lunchtime let Daniel know that he needed to be prepared to leave work that day.  I wanted to get the boys down for naps and see if allowing my body to rest would slow the contractions or if they were there to stay.

I laid down on the bed and started timing the contractions, and sure enough, they slowed a little bit as I rested, coming about every 8 or 9 minutes.  Caedmon couldn't sleep so he crawled up on the bed with me and we snuggled and read books, a precious time for both of us!  I could tell at this point that even though my contractions had slowed some, they were not going away, and prepared to call our parents and let them start getting ready to come our direction.  Even as these thoughts were going through my head, I was shocked to feel my water break - no doubt, time to start making phone calls!  I let Daniel and our doula know, then went ahead and called my parents.

I expected my body to respond quickly to my ruptured water, but was surprised that my contractions didn't seem to change much at first.  Daniel arrived and started packing last minute hospital things, and our doula also came and suggested that I start walking outside to help my contractions progress.  We walked and walked up and down the sidewalk, the boys accompanying most of the trips, and she timed my contractions.  We did this for a while, then Gramma Janet and Grandpa Dude came and took the boys to the park.  My doula predicted that my labor wouldn't really get going until the boys were in someone else's care, and she was right.

After going through another series of contractions, I decided I was ready to get to the hospital.  We grabbed our things and Daniel laid down the back seat of our car so that I could make the trip on my hands and knees, at our doula's suggestion.  We backed out of the driveway and made it around the corner before I realized that our little boy was ready to come.  Right away.  Knowing that it is usually a 20 minute drive to the hospital did not help my sense of panic, and I'm sure Daniel could tell from the volume and content of the sounds and desperate prayers for mercy from the back seat that it was time to drive as fast as possible.

Between contractions I called our doula, who was following us in her car, and she could also tell from what I told her that we were needing to make a decision - pull over and have a baby, or drive faster to the hospital.  We pressed on and swung into the ER drive thru where they procured a wheelchair for me.  The nurse who met us was quite calm - I'm sure they have moms who THINK they're about to have a baby, and moms who really are.  They got me upstairs to Labor and Delivery as quickly as a wheelchair and slow elevator could, and into a delivery room.  The same doctor who delivered both the other boys was there, and even though I felt like it should be as obvious to the nurses and staff who do this all day that it was to me that our boy was on his way, the nurse insisted that I get on the exam table so she could check my dilation.  She quickly said, "She's complete," as if that was new information to anyone else, and we got ready to meet our little one!

After pushing for 15 or so minutes, we were amazed at the miracle we got to witness as the doctor wrapped up our strong and healthy little boy and placed him on my chest.  Our little Luke Aaron was just beautiful, weighed 8 lbs 6 oz and measured 22 inches long, born at 6:08pm...just over 3 1/2 hours after my water broke.  We were overwhelmed!

We took some time to recover and meet our precious bundle, then had our parents bring the boys in to meet him.  They were excited and curious, mostly wanting to touch him and rub his soft little head.  As they left we encouraged them to tell Luke goodnight.  Isaac did, then waited with a look of expectancy...after several seconds, his face fell and he said to me, "Mama, he didn't say 'goodnight' to me!  He didn't say anything!"  And Caedmon just smiled and said, "Goodnight, Fred!"

Since coming home and settling in to being a family of five, we have marveled at the enormity of God's precious gift, at the number of tiny features - long toes, soft-as-silk hair, unconscious but oh-so-precious smiles, tiny squeaks and grunts, and sweet sweet baby breath.  We have been overwhelmed with the privilege of raising him, and our big boys, that God would entrust us with this little package who seems to come straight from heaven and the Father's creative and loving hands.

It has been wonderful to watch the big boys love their new brother in their own way.  Caedmon asked us one night if Luke would be able to crawl the following morning.  And he continues to call him, in as endearing a way as possible, "Fred."  That is now his little joke.  Isaac calls him "my baby" and wants to help feed him, pat him, love on him however he can.  If he doesn't refer to him as "my baby," he still tends to call him "Baby Jett," our nickname for him until he arrived.

The boys have very proudly helped push the stroller to take Luke for a walk, and brought toys and blankets whenever they feel like he might need one of those.  They accompanied Luke to his first checkup (at 5 days old) and watched him get weighed - 8 lb 8 oz!  We were thrilled that he already has gained back to his birth weight and that everything looks so healthy.

We are so looking forward to life with our three!

A fun visit and more!

We have had so much going on lately - it's wonderful to have such a full life!  Hopefully I can get caught up on some of the memories we've been making.

First, we had a wonderful visit with the boys' Aunt Amanda and sweet little cousin, Lilly (or, as Isaac says, "Liw-lly.") They came and spent a day with us in early November; we had a great time playing at the house, visiting a nearby park, and riding trikes with her in the front yard!  We all cherished our time together, and it blessed my heart to see the boys really connect with them; they have continued to talk and ask about them since.

Although we have two trikes, the boys usually want the same one at the same time - especially when it's being pulled at top speed around the yard by their dad!  This time it worked out great, since they picked the one with a little storage box on the back where Caedmon could perch.

Sweet Lilly was content to find a seat on the other tricycle and mostly watch the action, and although we did make some trips up and down the sidewalk, it was a much gentler ride than what the boys were enjoying.

Isaac has learned, in the last month or so, to really propel himself well on his little tricycle, and loves the freedom this gives him to motor up and down the sidewalk.  I don't have any pictures yet, but Caedmon is now riding a bicycle with training wheels, so they both are on their own, which is really fun to watch despite the tugging I feel on my heartstrings to see them being so grown up and independent!

Isaac's other favorite pastimes right now include anything with a ball.  He often greets his dad at the door with "Hey, Dad, let's play fetball! (football)" in his biggest voice.  He is learning to catch, too, and if he has an excuse to dive into the grass or carpet when playing, all the better!

Caedmon continues to love drumming.  It probably isn't the first thing to come to mind that he's pretending this fallen tree branch is a drum set, but he saves it off to the side of our yard and will frequently drag it out, select two "drumsticks," and have a little rock-out session, sometimes singing at the top of his lungs while playing.  This branch has completely lost all its leaves, but he just thinks it's great fun.  I love seeing his imagination, creativity, and skills developing!

Catching up...

Wow, it's been a while!  The late summer and early fall have been busy with lots of fun events, but no time for recording any of them here.  Perhaps the main reason for a lack of updates can be explained with a single picture...

Our sweet new addition is now 15 weeks along and doing fine.  We are all very excited to have another member joining our family around April 27!  The past weeks have been challenging with fatigue and nausea, but those will hopefully subside completely in the near future.  Caedmon is certain that he will have a little sister this time - we are all eager to know if he is right!

The boys both started attending a Mother's Day Out program one day a week and so far have really enjoyed going to "school."  They look so grown up with their backpacks and lunch boxes!  Although we haven't captured many photos this fall, we did snap some on their first day.

Caedmon was having a very energetic morning and was giving us lots of big smiles!  We are so glad he's such a cheerful boy.

Isaac was delighted to get to go along with his big brother!  They are in different classrooms but he wasn't about to be left behind if Caedmon was going to get to go have fun at school.

With increased time around other kids and in settings away from home, like school and Sunday School, they had a better understanding of dressing up for Halloween this year.  Caedmon really, really wanted to dress up like a dinosaur but with short notice, I just couldn't come up with a dino costume that satisfied him, so he agreed that he could be content as a cowboy.  Isaac wanted to be a lion but on our shopping trip to buy supplies to make a lion mane, we happened across a little tiger costume that he thought would be even better.

Caedmon thought it was fun to dress up in "real" cowboy duds, like a snap-up shirt, boots, and hat, and even agreed to wear a bandana and mustache long enough for us to take a picture.  But Isaac really got into being a tiger - I got him dressed first and was trying to help get Caedmon's outfit figured out, while being pounced on and growled at by the ferocious little guy!

I have been wanting to take the boys to Fossil Rim, a wildlife ranch just south of here.  We finally had the opportunity last week, and it seemed to be a big hit with the boys!  With as much as they love seeing the animals at the zoo, and love feeding cubes to the cows at the farm, I figured this would be a perfect combination of the two.  They got excited about seeing the animals up close but weren't as bold about feeding the food from their hands as I expected.  The highlight of the trip was definitely our friendly giraffe visitor, who spent a good chunk of time with her head through our sunroof, gently munching food pellets from our hands.  Caedmon worked up the courage to touch her cheek and though Isaac wouldn't touch her, they both were very impressed.